Comments on: Toward An Egalitarian Ecclesia http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/ Conversations in Theology and its interaction with Culture Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:50:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Problems in Prime Facie Egalitarian Readings of Scripture: « The PoMo Xian http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-7161 Problems in Prime Facie Egalitarian Readings of Scripture: « The PoMo Xian Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:40:54 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-7161 [...] posts on the topic: The Weaker Vessel, Arc One – Critiquing Roman Gender Roles, Toward An Egalitarian Ecclesia (post series) [...] [...] posts on the topic: The Weaker Vessel, Arc One – Critiquing Roman Gender Roles, Toward An Egalitarian Ecclesia (post series) [...]

]]> By: Hundie Jo [dot] Com » Blog Archive » Pissing Against Unity http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-6732 Hundie Jo [dot] Com » Blog Archive » Pissing Against Unity Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:40:42 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-6732 [...] Mr. Anderson showcases all of the above traits.  He moves beyond modern Biblical notions of egalitarianism and complementarianism [1] and into rampant sexism when he remarks “…it is not right for a [...] [...] Mr. Anderson showcases all of the above traits.  He moves beyond modern Biblical notions of egalitarianism and complementarianism [1] and into rampant sexism when he remarks “…it is not right for a [...]

]]> By: Pissing Against Unity http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-6723 Pissing Against Unity Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:46:42 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-6723 [...] Mr. Anderson showcases all of the above traits.  He moves beyond modern Biblical notions of egalitarianism and complementarianism1 and into rampant sexism when he remarks “…it is not right for a woman [...] [...] Mr. Anderson showcases all of the above traits.  He moves beyond modern Biblical notions of egalitarianism and complementarianism1 and into rampant sexism when he remarks “…it is not right for a woman [...]

]]> By: Ellen http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-6191 Ellen Sun, 04 May 2008 22:45:27 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-6191 Thanks for stopping by (I always like it when the trackbacks work as planned...) Thanks for stopping by (I always like it when the trackbacks work as planned…)

]]> By: Tom 1st http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-6190 Tom 1st Sun, 04 May 2008 21:41:37 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-6190 Hey, if anyon'es interested, the person who cited this post above has an excellent criticism of one of my points here. She demonstrates that I overstated the point, more exactly. I don't think this ruins my argument exactly, but I think it challenges my provided reason why authentein came to be translated just as 'authority.' Well worth the read! Hey, if anyon’es interested, the person who cited this post above has an excellent criticism of one of my points here. She demonstrates that I overstated the point, more exactly.

I don’t think this ruins my argument exactly, but I think it challenges my provided reason why authentein came to be translated just as ‘authority.’

Well worth the read!

]]> By: MzEllen & Co. » Also “Overheard” in the BlogWorld… http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-6189 MzEllen & Co. » Also “Overheard” in the BlogWorld… Sun, 04 May 2008 18:54:18 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-6189 [...] Toward An Egalitarian Ecclesia at Theology for the Masses (writing of 1 Timothy 2:12): Interestingly enough, the history of [...] [...] Toward An Egalitarian Ecclesia at Theology for the Masses (writing of 1 Timothy 2:12): Interestingly enough, the history of [...]

]]> By: Theology for the Masses » Blog Archive » Recap - Women in Christianity. http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-5047 Theology for the Masses » Blog Archive » Recap - Women in Christianity. Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:09:01 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-5047 [...] Tom’s great series on women in Christianity, and a lack of response from the complimentarian camp, I wanna get a feel for where people are [...] [...] Tom’s great series on women in Christianity, and a lack of response from the complimentarian camp, I wanna get a feel for where people are [...]

]]> By: Arlene http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-4794 Arlene Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:21:37 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-4794 I have been researching this subject for the past year and have had discussions with other women with Master and Doctorate level degrees from conservative schools of theology regarding their research on this topic. Sarah Sumner has written a book entitled, Men and Women in the Church which might be helpful to your discussions. I look forward to continuing to read your dialogue here as I am scheduled to teach the last in a series of three classes on the topic of "Women in Ministry" in our Critical Issues in Christianity class at a small church in the LA area in California. I have been researching this subject for the past year and have had discussions with other women with Master and Doctorate level degrees from conservative schools of theology regarding their research on this topic. Sarah Sumner has written a book entitled, Men and Women in the Church which might be helpful to your discussions.

I look forward to continuing to read your dialogue here as I am scheduled to teach the last in a series of three classes on the topic of “Women in Ministry” in our Critical Issues in Christianity class at a small church in the LA area in California.

]]> By: CMJoseph http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-4607 CMJoseph Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:31:48 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-4607 Tom et. al., First, Tom. Great stuff. I don't know JACK ALL about readin Greek (It's all...no...I won't). But, I do know that you are building a positive case for something that people have jumped to. I think the main problems I've seen with the ordination of women and inclusion in control of church government is that feminism was an issue. People thought, 'Well, women can work, they can earn a living, they can abort their children, they can be cops and army men, and firefighters. We should let them be preachers and deacons and stuff too.' That is bad, and faulty reasoning. I think that the Bible is pretty clear that women have a right to work in the church, and even lead people, including men. The fact that John's narrative deconstructs divisions within the body (thank you for that JR), there are more than a fair share of priestess and prophetesses in the OT, and other such, I think is great proof of this. But, when it has come to arguing the case against more conservative thinkers, I've never been able to make a case that separated me from the pop-feminists they thought I was (m)ali(g)ned with. I say all of that to say that this: 'Thank you for this study.' And to say: 'Exegesis is cool even for people who know JACK ALL about it.' Tom et. al.,

First, Tom. Great stuff. I don’t know JACK ALL about readin Greek (It’s all…no…I won’t). But, I do know that you are building a positive case for something that people have jumped to.

I think the main problems I’ve seen with the ordination of women and inclusion in control of church government is that feminism was an issue. People thought, ‘Well, women can work, they can earn a living, they can abort their children, they can be cops and army men, and firefighters. We should let them be preachers and deacons and stuff too.’ That is bad, and faulty reasoning.

I think that the Bible is pretty clear that women have a right to work in the church, and even lead people, including men. The fact that John’s narrative deconstructs divisions within the body (thank you for that JR), there are more than a fair share of priestess and prophetesses in the OT, and other such, I think is great proof of this. But, when it has come to arguing the case against more conservative thinkers, I’ve never been able to make a case that separated me from the pop-feminists they thought I was (m)ali(g)ned with.

I say all of that to say that this: ‘Thank you for this study.’ And to say: ‘Exegesis is cool even for people who know JACK ALL about it.’

]]> By: Henry Imler http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/comment-page-1/#comment-4592 Henry Imler Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:28:02 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2007/09/21/toward-an-egalitarian-ecclesia-post-16/#comment-4592 HT, I am right there with you, with wanting more exegesis.  However, it is only one step in the hermeneutical process. HT,

I am right there with you, with wanting more exegesis.  However, it is only one step in the hermeneutical process.

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