Comments on: Jerusalem and Athens http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/ Conversations in Theology and its interaction with Culture Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:55:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Henry (Honzo) Imler http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5910 Henry (Honzo) Imler Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:47:54 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5910 A few things come to mind here. First, faith in the light of academic history (as opposed to theological history) and science. I am mostly talking about belief. When it comes to belief - in God, in the resurrection, etcetera - at their very core you take it on faith (something unverified) and not on reason. And I don't see this as a bad thing. I take it on faith that Jesus rose and that both Muhammad and J. Smith did <em>not</em> receive a revelation from God. I cannot verify these things. I can talk a lot about probabilities, but I have no recording to which I can go back. The best thing I have are four highly theologized (and this is a good thing for me) accounts of his life, death, and resurrection that date most likely 30 years after his resurrection. A few things come to mind here. First, faith in the light of academic history (as opposed to theological history) and science. I am mostly talking about belief. When it comes to belief - in God, in the resurrection, etcetera - at their very core you take it on faith (something unverified) and not on reason. And I don’t see this as a bad thing. I take it on faith that Jesus rose and that both Muhammad and J. Smith did not receive a revelation from God. I cannot verify these things. I can talk a lot about probabilities, but I have no recording to which I can go back. The best thing I have are four highly theologized (and this is a good thing for me) accounts of his life, death, and resurrection that date most likely 30 years after his resurrection.

]]> By: Hank http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5909 Hank Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:36:56 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5909 Which is what? The adjective doesn't clarify much. And on what basis does one ground this "intellectual faith"? How does one come to believe such things? The comments sound like one presupposes the faith, like it is just there (sort of like Middle Knowledge), and works out from there. Which is what? The adjective doesn’t clarify much. And on what basis does one ground this "intellectual faith"? How does one come to believe such things? The comments sound like one presupposes the faith, like it is just there (sort of like Middle Knowledge), and works out from there.

]]> By: Henry (Honzo) Imler http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5908 Henry (Honzo) Imler Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:05:26 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5908 I am talking about intellectual faith here. I am talking about intellectual faith here.

]]> By: Hank http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5906 Hank Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:56:25 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5906 My question is then this, in light of what has just been commented: how are you defining faith and what is it based upon, its ground? This goes out primarily to postmoderns, but anyone can feel free to answer. My question is then this, in light of what has just been commented: how are you defining faith and what is it based upon, its ground? This goes out primarily to postmoderns, but anyone can feel free to answer.

]]> By: Henry (Honzo) Imler http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5905 Henry (Honzo) Imler Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:48:57 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5905 I see reason following Faith. Faith is untestable, non-reasonable starting points. Once you have your givens on faith, then you can proceed rationally to work out your belief system. I cannot prove or reason that Jesus rose from the dead. I think he did, I know he did, but it is not reasonable that he did so. I start on faith and then work out by means of reason. I see reason following Faith. Faith is untestable, non-reasonable starting points. Once you have your givens on faith, then you can proceed rationally to work out your belief system.

I cannot prove or reason that Jesus rose from the dead. I think he did, I know he did, but it is not reasonable that he did so. I start on faith and then work out by means of reason.

]]> By: E. I. Sanchez http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5904 E. I. Sanchez Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:08:23 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5904 Faith is based on reason. On knowledge. On an idea, or concept. At least in your mind, you must know what you believe in. If you are horribly wrong, that's your problem. The semantics of Faith remain the same. Faith is based on your reasoning. Your reasons may be wrong, but faith remains pure. Faith follows reason. Faith is based on reason. On knowledge. On an idea, or concept. At least in your mind, you must know what you believe in. If you are horribly wrong, that’s your problem. The semantics of Faith remain the same. Faith is based on your reasoning. Your reasons may be wrong, but faith remains pure. Faith follows reason.

]]> By: E. I. Sanchez http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5903 E. I. Sanchez Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:02:17 +0000 http://www.masstheology.com/2008/02/29/link-of-the-day-athens-and-jerusalem/#comment-5903 I remember you linking to he Forbidden Gospels Blog before. The first few times I didn't think I like the blog much. The name sounded a bit weird. It's pretty good though. I remember you linking to he Forbidden Gospels Blog before. The first few times I didn’t think I like the blog much. The name sounded a bit weird.

It’s pretty good though.

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