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		<title>By: Henry M Imler</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6997</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry M Imler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dyce, humans are too stupid to have made up technology?  I think you should start hanging out with another sort of humans!  The humans I meet are brilliant and creative - they could have easily made up technology.  As for the rest of your comment - kinda isn&#039;t making sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dyce, humans are too stupid to have made up technology?  I think you should start hanging out with another sort of humans!  The humans I meet are brilliant and creative &#8211; they could have easily made up technology.  As for the rest of your comment &#8211; kinda isn&#8217;t making sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry M Imler</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry M Imler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

When I say &quot;better story,&quot; I mean our story not only allows us, communities, etc to best commune with one another and the God that we posit, but also matches up best with the wide range of phenomena in the world - that it is the truth, or the closest that we can come to in this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>When I say &#8220;better story,&#8221; I mean our story not only allows us, communities, etc to best commune with one another and the God that we posit, but also matches up best with the wide range of phenomena in the world &#8211; that it is the truth, or the closest that we can come to in this world.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyce</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6995</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you&#039;re reading the bible pay attention to the repeatition of numerology and you will find it very interesting why certain figures keep coming up all the time.Especially 3,7 and 12.Let&#039;s take 12,12 tribes of is-ra-el,12 disciples of jesus,12 hours on a clock,12 months in a year,12 grades in school,a judge needs 12 jury,when alcoholics go to reharb they call it the 12 step programme.People wake up because we&#039;ve been mislead by the religious leaders and our governments.The government doesn&#039;t give a shit about u nor your stupid family and frankly they have a right to do so,because that&#039;s where people who believe rubbish belong right in the god dam garbage and never to be helped.Ignorant fools that your&#039;l are and will be if your&#039;l don&#039;t wake up.The world is being manipulated by a few hands lool it&#039;s just funny how people can&#039;t see that.Everyone&#039;s to busy scratching their ass and picking their nose and thinking that money is actually real,those people who actually think of it that way deserve to be slaves for the rest of their filthy lives.I&#039;m ashame of being a human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re reading the bible pay attention to the repeatition of numerology and you will find it very interesting why certain figures keep coming up all the time.Especially 3,7 and 12.Let&#8217;s take 12,12 tribes of is-ra-el,12 disciples of jesus,12 hours on a clock,12 months in a year,12 grades in school,a judge needs 12 jury,when alcoholics go to reharb they call it the 12 step programme.People wake up because we&#8217;ve been mislead by the religious leaders and our governments.The government doesn&#8217;t give a shit about u nor your stupid family and frankly they have a right to do so,because that&#8217;s where people who believe rubbish belong right in the god dam garbage and never to be helped.Ignorant fools that your&#8217;l are and will be if your&#8217;l don&#8217;t wake up.The world is being manipulated by a few hands lool it&#8217;s just funny how people can&#8217;t see that.Everyone&#8217;s to busy scratching their ass and picking their nose and thinking that money is actually real,those people who actually think of it that way deserve to be slaves for the rest of their filthy lives.I&#8217;m ashame of being a human.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyce</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6994</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people refuse to be realistic?Humans are so stupid my goodness,it&#039;s just more evidence to prove that we are not alone.Humans are to stupid to have made technology and that&#039;s just a fact.We still believe in myths and fairy tales and that there is an invisible man in the sky who&#039;s watching everyone and never shows up at all not even occasionally to smoke a ciggar or watch someone get rapped and murdered.What a mighty god we serve lool.The story of the bible is astrotheology people and so are the rest,the main motith is about the story of the zodiac.The 12 signs of the zodiac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people refuse to be realistic?Humans are so stupid my goodness,it&#8217;s just more evidence to prove that we are not alone.Humans are to stupid to have made technology and that&#8217;s just a fact.We still believe in myths and fairy tales and that there is an invisible man in the sky who&#8217;s watching everyone and never shows up at all not even occasionally to smoke a ciggar or watch someone get rapped and murdered.What a mighty god we serve lool.The story of the bible is astrotheology people and so are the rest,the main motith is about the story of the zodiac.The 12 signs of the zodiac.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyce</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6993</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wake up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake up!</p>
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		<title>By: luther marv walters</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6566</link>
		<dc:creator>luther marv walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we want immediate answers to prayers.  GOD works according to HIS schedule, not mine or yours.  scripture has to be interpreted.  scripture is inerrant.  i aint.  but sometimes the HOLY SPIRIT helps me to stay on track.  one day it will all be clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we want immediate answers to prayers.  GOD works according to HIS schedule, not mine or yours.  scripture has to be interpreted.  scripture is inerrant.  i aint.  but sometimes the HOLY SPIRIT helps me to stay on track.  one day it will all be clear.</p>
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		<title>By: E. I. Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.masstheology.com/2008/05/17/god-is-fake/comment-page-1/#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>E. I. Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honzo, your point is well taken.  Lusani made a good point about prayers not answered here but may be answered on the life to come, or even on a different time-line than what we might hope for.  

Tom, can I steal this PoMo word?  pretty cool... I also think PoMo brings us a lot of benefits.  I would rather have someone with a PoMo perspective than a fundamentalist that wants to do us bodily harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honzo, your point is well taken.  Lusani made a good point about prayers not answered here but may be answered on the life to come, or even on a different time-line than what we might hope for.  </p>
<p>Tom, can I steal this PoMo word?  pretty cool&#8230; I also think PoMo brings us a lot of benefits.  I would rather have someone with a PoMo perspective than a fundamentalist that wants to do us bodily harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom1st</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom1st</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to land with Hank&#039;s resurrection answer. That&#039;s the ground of my faith. In that story/event you have both ample historical evidence and the testimony of the Holy Spirit. It need not be an either/or dichotomy either way. We both experience God and have a God who is intimately and immanently at work in history. This empirical evidence vs. experience debate is a false dichotomy.

I agree, Honzo, there is benefit. I was just saying that I often find it wearisome. 

Travis:
I agree that we can, to some extent, see Yahweh in the creation (ala Rom. 1). But honestly, as a Christian even, when I look at the creation and I look at humanities moral capacity I often see the absence of God more than the presence of God. 

As a Christian, I look at the evil of this world and the brokeness, and though I know that God has conquored these things, I also can see why people don&#039;t believe that He exists. What would you say to a person who see&#039;s the creation and determines from the presence of suffering (children dying, molestation, rape, purposeless pain, etc.) that no god must be &#039;out there&#039;?  

As I said, as a Christian I often have a problem jiving this knowledge with my experience (why did my father die in an unnecessary accident merely 2 months ago? it seemed so purposeless - almost like God wasn&#039;t even there.) of suffering in this world, so I understand completely why the atheist rejects our God. 

Just wondering how you would handle such a question if it came from an unbeliever who had seriously suffered real evil and concluded that there was not God? - no mere intellectual &#039;problem of evil&#039; but real life suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to land with Hank&#8217;s resurrection answer. That&#8217;s the ground of my faith. In that story/event you have both ample historical evidence and the testimony of the Holy Spirit. It need not be an either/or dichotomy either way. We both experience God and have a God who is intimately and immanently at work in history. This empirical evidence vs. experience debate is a false dichotomy.</p>
<p>I agree, Honzo, there is benefit. I was just saying that I often find it wearisome. </p>
<p>Travis:<br />
I agree that we can, to some extent, see Yahweh in the creation (ala <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NLT;ESV;NASB;TNIV&amp;passage=Rom.+1" title="Bible Gateway">Rom. 1</a>). But honestly, as a Christian even, when I look at the creation and I look at humanities moral capacity I often see the absence of God more than the presence of God. </p>
<p>As a Christian, I look at the evil of this world and the brokeness, and though I know that God has conquored these things, I also can see why people don&#8217;t believe that He exists. What would you say to a person who see&#8217;s the creation and determines from the presence of suffering (children dying, molestation, rape, purposeless pain, etc.) that no god must be &#8216;out there&#8217;?  </p>
<p>As I said, as a Christian I often have a problem jiving this knowledge with my experience (why did my father die in an unnecessary accident merely 2 months ago? it seemed so purposeless &#8211; almost like God wasn&#8217;t even there.) of suffering in this world, so I understand completely why the atheist rejects our God. </p>
<p>Just wondering how you would handle such a question if it came from an unbeliever who had seriously suffered real evil and concluded that there was not God? &#8211; no mere intellectual &#8216;problem of evil&#8217; but real life suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one powerful witness to God&#039;s existance is the resurrection of Jesus. Here is a guy who came from Galilee and began teaching and acting like he was the God of Israel, the one and only true deity. To prove it he said he would die and be resurrected. The canonical NT gospels and Paul (1 Corinthians 15:3-11) pointed their readers to the witnesses of this resurrected Jesus so that they could know for themselves. By dying and being resurrected from the grave as the promised evidence, Jesus proved that the God of Israel is really alive and is in fact God. Jesus&#039; resurrection proves the narrative of Israel and her God, Yahweh, to be the true meta-narrative (Paul argues that all of our faith as Christians hangs upon the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:12-19). The narrative of Jesus and his resurrection is one way to show that God exists without resorting to &quot;The Holy Spirit Told Me So&quot; argument (this also helps to keep one from getting too far drawn into circular arguments about the Scriptures from 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 2 Peter 1:20-21, although these verses can help with validating the OT texts).

I really like what has been said so far in the post and comments by everyone. It is a good conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one powerful witness to God&#8217;s existance is the resurrection of Jesus. Here is a guy who came from Galilee and began teaching and acting like he was the God of Israel, the one and only true deity. To prove it he said he would die and be resurrected. The canonical NT gospels and Paul (<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NLT;ESV;NASB;TNIV&amp;passage=1+Corinthians+15%3A3-11" title="Bible Gateway">1 Corinthians 15:3-11</a>) pointed their readers to the witnesses of this resurrected Jesus so that they could know for themselves. By dying and being resurrected from the grave as the promised evidence, Jesus proved that the God of Israel is really alive and is in fact God. Jesus&#8217; resurrection proves the narrative of Israel and her God, Yahweh, to be the true meta-narrative (Paul argues that all of our faith as Christians hangs upon the resurrection in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NLT;ESV;NASB;TNIV&amp;passage=1+Corinthians+15%3A12-19" title="Bible Gateway">1 Corinthians 15:12-19</a>). The narrative of Jesus and his resurrection is one way to show that God exists without resorting to &#8220;The Holy Spirit Told Me So&#8221; argument (this also helps to keep one from getting too far drawn into circular arguments about the Scriptures from <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NLT;ESV;NASB;TNIV&amp;passage=2+Timothy+3%3A16-17" title="Bible Gateway">2 Timothy 3:16-17</a> and <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=NLT;ESV;NASB;TNIV&amp;passage=2+Peter+1%3A20-21" title="Bible Gateway">2 Peter 1:20-21</a>, although these verses can help with validating the OT texts).</p>
<p>I really like what has been said so far in the post and comments by everyone. It is a good conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Honzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EI,

While I agree with you, I think you might be selling some of those other religions a bit short.  For instance, certain constructions of Buddhism are so amazingly logical to the point that they put out constructions of Christianity to shame.  Plus, they do see the issue with nonattachment and not being attached to nonattachment.  Mindblowing stuff - because they have thought it through.  They don&#039;t get to a contradiction and just write it off as a &quot;mystery&quot; as some people here, including myself do.

But, there is a one and only God, one who had a son - Buddhism does not allow for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EI,</p>
<p>While I agree with you, I think you might be selling some of those other religions a bit short.  For instance, certain constructions of Buddhism are so amazingly logical to the point that they put out constructions of Christianity to shame.  Plus, they do see the issue with nonattachment and not being attached to nonattachment.  Mindblowing stuff &#8211; because they have thought it through.  They don&#8217;t get to a contradiction and just write it off as a &#8220;mystery&#8221; as some people here, including myself do.</p>
<p>But, there is a one and only God, one who had a son &#8211; Buddhism does not allow for that.</p>
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